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Friday, November 27, 2009
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20 comments:
Rumors, rumors and more rumors.
I've been working part times and I keep below the radar at the precinct. Punch in and punch out.
Who put this document together?
Who is leading and who is participating in the talk of early retirement?
Is early retirement the reason for exploring the creation of the corporal slot? ... IMHO and my best guess - more responsibility for no additional pay.
Kinda like the furlough day... they keep the same staffing level and just arbitrarily pay out less.
Just sitting back waiting to see what the County will do to us this time. Somehow I'm sure the "deal" will be one-sided.
You know what might also help is all of these people leaving that already have 30 years and no life. I can not imagine staying past 30 years when I can leave. Maybe they should start with them an tell them they have to leave.
Before we offer early retirement why not enforce mandatory retirement? Shouldn’t they county mandate that all employees that are eligible to retire with full benefits do so before we start letting people go early? I know that it may not seem nice but it would be more financially responsible.
Be careful of age discrimination us old geezers have protection under federal law.
The one who cannot imagine staying past 30 years , well I'm thinking you must not like this job. I think the ones who stay after 30 years enjoy the profession and working until they decide its time to retire.
This ole timer will be around for awhile. Police Officers Annuity kicks in when I'm 55, Social Security, if it's around kicks in when I'm 62. In the meantime, I'll keep maxing out deferred comp and working extra jobs.
Get comfortable boys.
Yea,let's go ahead and enforce "mandatory retirement". With my full retirement plus what I win in the law suit, I will be just fine. My only concern is that the department will be left in the hands of knockleheads like you.
I rather have a 30 year experience person around instead of someone who bitches all the time and cannot wait to retire. They need to go now and stop wasting the county money.
I rather have a 30 year experience person than a 20 year person who bitches all the time and cannot wait to retire.
Have you look at some of these young guys in charge today. God help us all.
If you want to retire when you hit 30 years then do it. Nobody is stopping you. But do not try to tell other people what to do! That is the problem with this country now. Nobody knows how to mind their own damn business!
And by the way, the problem with the DeKalb PD is not he 50 year olds who do not want to retire. It’s the stupid ass 20 something year olds who do not know how to act.
Well well what would ol Ethel say about this.
Its obvious that the county is just trying to reduce the budget that good oL Vern spent.
Look I would much rather have a crusty old vet, than damn near any person hired in the last 8 years who I wouldnt go into battle with.
Now I will acknowledge that there are a few good ones that made it through but there are few.
You cant replace experience so I say to the ol timers if you like your job then by all means stay Mr. CTW!
Coming up on 39 years of service all of which has been working the road. Not sitting back in some office collecting a pay check.
I would stand with him and others like him anyday in a firefight.
Since I have been employed here I have never seen the county is such a financial mess, theres only one man responsible for this, and that would be that racist Vernon Jones.
His pockets must be full of cash so I say point the finger his way not at the VETERNS who have paid their dues and love thier job !
Haargh mates! This is what I have been looking for the last week, what are the options, and what the hit on the pension fund will be.
I doubt many will be interested in the reduced lump sum options. Why take a 200 grand lump sum now when in 20 years we would take home a million? Not to mention the huge taxes on such a lump sum.
As for those who elect to remain on with the county after 30 years. They have there reasons, and should be respected for it. 90 percent of the plus 30 year employees do an outstanding job due to their 30 years of "gaming the system". They know how to get things done in the county with a minimum of fuss or thanks from the county. The 10 percent who do not perform adequately should be reviewed by their supervisors and advised to improve their performance to satisfactory or encouraged to retire.
My real worry is that when the option is offered, management will attempt to block the hard chargers, and the competent from retiring. Last time early retirement was offered, it hurt the county badly with some of the very best and knowledgeable leaving with the replacements hopelessly outclassed due to lack of experience.
It will take months to implement any early retirement program and the budget is due now and cannot reflect the proposed retirement options. The retirement options should of been placed on the table last summer and voted on then.
With the time constraints of the budget, the RIF can be implemented immediately and incorporated in next years budget. If the RIF is done properly, minimal loss of service to the citizens would be affected. Unfortunately and undoubtedly the RIF will be politicized with each department electing to RIF high profile services with major consequences to county service. Why RIF unimportant service employees when the department can avoid the RIF by offering to RIF the high value service providers needed by the citizens? The county can then say we can't cut back on anything and can only raise taxes.
It will be interesting to see how this mess plays out.
Ummmmmmmm.......didn't Gwinnett make all of the people within two years of their retirement date leave this past year? Don't the Feds have mandatory retirement ages? I hate to tell you, but if Dekalb wants the older people out then it will happen.
I’m sorry but I just have to laugh at these old timers trying to sound like their staying around for the good of the department. Most of the 30 plus crowd does nothing but take up an office somewhere and contribute very little. I agree that a person in a key position with a lot of experience can be beneficial to the department. But if you’re just using your experience and seniority to secure a cushy job so you can sit around and collect a check you are not helping anyone.
Slamin Ethel, if your talking about the one at Center, he has my respect. He actually cares about the department and his officers.
The county is looking for ways to cut money. On the one hand, you could hire at least two employees for what one 30+ vet costs. But as some have pointed out, this will cost the county experience. Remember, it isn't just PD that this deals with.
They really need to look at this on a case by case basis. I am sure there are laws out there protecting older workers, but if they aren't pulling their weight, get rid of them. I know for a fact there are 30 year veterans in PD who run circles around rookies. Why force them out? Force out the dead weight.
No matter what the topic on this blog is it always turns into the veterans attacking the rookies. They claim all rookies are stupid, lazy, etc. Well if they are many of us veterans are to blame. When most officers come here they have no prior police experience, so they only know what they are taught by the veterans who train them. If they are lazy it is because the veterans who supervise them don’t enforce any standards, and the veterans who they work with set a sorry example. Most of the young officers I have met want to do a good job, and do the best that they can. But most veterans I know refuse to help these officers, by being FTOs, and many veteran supervisors don’t want them to go out and aggressively police because they might end up doing paperwork. While there are many hard working veterans in this department it seems that the only ones that comment on this blog are the old dogs (the ones that just sit on the porch and bark)
Anonymous stated, "But most veterans I know refuse to help these officers,"
Why?
Because a good number (not all but a good number) know it and don't want to hear from the veterans. You can't force a horse to drink water. If the rookie doesn't care to take advantage of what a veteran tries to tell them, then so be it....they'll just have to learn the hard way.
The rookies are not my problem. They belong to the supervisors. The old saying about still not having a job when you get a badge no longer applies.
I'm responsible for answering my calls, staying safe, and continuing to produce as best I can.
Signed,
Coaching, Mentoring and Advice for the most part is Not Needed, Wanted, or Appreciated.
I love newbies! They have energy and are ready to change the world to a better place. My last ticket in DeKalb was due to some rookie doing their part to make DeKalb safer, or at least richer...
Maybe I was a little generous about the senior plus crowd. Yes, there are more than a few who would be better off retired and we all know who they are. Unfortunately they are the ones who will not take up the county on the retirement option. So y'all are going to be stuck with 'em for a while longer.
As for as the senior members not pulling their weight, I have seen minor miracles performed out of thin air by application of knowledge, experience and some real imagination. This did not happen instantaneously requiring a decade to reach full implementation and results in savings in the 8 figure range every year. That is one big lesson I learned in government, if you keep making improvements year after year, in 20 years you can accomplish a hell of a lot.
The very best of luck, mates!
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