Tuesday, May 3, 2011

2009 Dekalb EEO-4 Full Reports

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13 comments:

LoFlyer said...

I am going to keep my comments brief. First racism is a difficult and uncomfortable subject for most of us. Most of us would rather avoid the issue all together if possible. I was blessed with parents that while being brought up in the Jim Crowe dominated south, recoginized the injustice of racism and that an individual should be judged upon the character of the individual instead of color of ones skin. They allowed me to form my own opinions on the subject and my personal experience of living and working with navy sailors of all races convinced me that there is little difference between races under the skin. The cultures might be different but underneath we have the same blood, muscles, organs and the intelligence endowed to us by our creator.
I firmly believe that what does not kill us makes us stronger, as a person and as a nation. Racism is problem that still exists and will probably always exist in the weak or uneducated, or those that have figured out how to play the "race-card" for their personal benefit.
In serious discussions with my black friends and co-workers on the issue of racism and over-representation of blacks in local and federal government. The most common answer was this: "You owe us.".
The years of slavery that are now unknown in American living memory, the years of being treated as second class citizens unable to drink from the same water fountain or use the same facility as whites, or obtain a decent paying job and follow a career of their own choosing.
This was all halted a half a century ago.
No white with even a tinge of racism could survive employment in DeKalb government under the current political environment of the last two decades.
What is extremely disturbing are the demographic numbers and the attitude of DeKalb management, both political and administrative, that over-representing blacks at the expense of every other race in DeKalb government is just the way things are. This is payback for 200 years of racism by whites to the black population.
The problem is that none of the other races, white, yellow, green, blue or rainbow employed by DeKalb government have discriminated against their fellow black employees.
Non-black DeKalb employees are paying for the sins of our grandfathers and great grandfathers.
What they did was dead wrong. Should DeKalb employees who never participated in racism be forced to pay for the sins of their ancestors?
A tricky question, but worthy of discussion.

Anonymous said...

You forgot to keep your comment brief.

Anonymous said...

LoFlyer, you are a racist shut up and enjoy your retirement and stay off the police blog.

LoFlyer said...

Hargh! Anon2 you are right and I should have deleted the first sentence, then I thought, just leave it in as humorous. We all know that I rarely keep my thoughts brief.
Anon3, please detail your arguments that I am a racist. I do appreciate your comments for being brief, something that I am seemingly incapable of.
But attempting to shut down discussion of an important issue that begs for open and creative discussion by claiming I am racist for publishing public documents with the numbers strongly suggesting that Blacks are highly over-represented and every other race under-represented reeks of a individual unable to present a logical argument to my evidence of institutional racism by DeKalb government against every race employed except blacks.
Present your arguments. Make your case. Run the numbers yourself and tell me what you find.
Stand and deliver.
KenC

Anonymous said...

To anon 11:56..

LoFlyer is a racist because he points out cold hard facts or because he disagrees with the agenda being pushed by the liberal portion of this country? Or is it because he is uncovering the new era "good ol boy" system in place today and you see it as a threat to your advantage?
Racism has no place in any part of society today, but it doesn't always exist where some say it does. Some play the card to gain an advantage and some play it just to maintain a "victim" status in a debate. And that is just as wrong as exposing someone to a racist attitude.
I don't think anyone is owned anything in this country because of what happened in the past or the color of their skin. White men, red men, black men and yellow men have all been treated poorly because of where they came from or the color of their skin at one time or another in this country. It's time to get past the history, level the playing field as best we can and get to saving this country. With an "I'm owed" attitude, we're doomed. None of us are owed anything except what we earn...especially the respect of our fellow humans. And I personally have no respect for someone with the "you owe poor little me" attitude.

Anonymous said...

And just like he said, when someone tries to discuss the issue, they are attacked. It only took two posts before someone began throwing out racism accusations. Good job on proving his point.

Anonymous said...

Wow, only took to the third post to start the name calling. Nice work.

If someone has a problem with his (LoFlyer's) comments, please post them in a mature manner. Otherwise, your comments are useless and only make you look foolish, and the whole blog by association.

He is touching on a very sensitive subject and everyone should step back, chill and focus on his intent to get the truth out. However, I do think he should focus on the facts and leave the personal stories and editorial comments out, but that is just my opinion.

The truth may be that DeKalb's hiring practices are totally legit and that any issues are just anecdotal stories based on personal bias ..... or he could find serious issues like have been found in the past at DeKalb County. Who knows.

However, I do know that without looking at the numbers we will never know. And I know that without looking at them objectively the conversation devolves quickly into a 'he said, she said, they said' name calling match. This gets us nowhere.

We are adults, can we please discuss this without bringing our personal issues or bias into it? Personal issues and bias create problems, not solve them. Wrong is wrong and right is right... with many shades of grey in between.

-JW

Anonymous said...

11:56 - So where on the scale do you think LoFlyer fits in as compared to, say, Vermin Jones, who was recorded saying that the county wasn't "chocolate" enough? (Do you think it's "chocolate" enough for him yet??) Where on the scale does creating a hostile environment fit in comparison to exposing a reality, based on fact, that if, excuse me, were in the reverse, would cause Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to come here immediately, and ad nauseum point out how unfair life is?
Quit feeling sorry for yourself. If you got educated, got rid of the persecution complex, helped reduce ALL prejudice, and helped reduce the crime in your community (yes, I have assumed you are African American - does that make me a racist too?), then maybe you would have something important and intelligent to say that one could take seriously. Until then...

Anonymous said...

Loflyer, that was so damn fake, don't blame it on your ancestors. Why does the current command staff or certain positions in the department do not reflect the Demographics of the county?

Why when some one of color gets promoted the white officers say they are not smart enough or they got a hook up on the test.

Come on dude, we are not dumb at all.There is no level playing field in this department. The Blog master won't even address this unfair practice.

You might as well say " I like black people my best friend is black" thats a the must racist statement in the world.

if you want make a change. ask the same question. Supervisors, management and the excutive leadership do not reflect the demo-graphics of the County.

Anonymous said...

Can we get a SEAL TEAM SIX???? please

Anonymous said...

DeKalb is what it is and will not change. There is no new County leader on the horizon who is capable of or has the desire to change it.
The real fireworks will occur when Milton County is formed and most, if not all, of North DeKalb tries to join up.

Anonymous said...

I'm very sick of everyone who say's anything against a black person or reverse descrimination being called a rasist. We all are sick of the " because I'm black" defense for everything too. It is getting very , very old...all over the country.It is a joke.

Anonymous said...

LoFlyer, Way to go delivering the quantitative date from the county’s records. Numbers are numbers and that can’t be evaluated as bias. With that being said I have several thoughts. LoFlyer I get your point reference the different races in DeKalb but I have never heard of green, blue and rainbow. One would say this doesn’t matter to refer to people as such but let’s be straight forward and say that White DeKalb officers (not all) are unhappy because there are not only too many Black DeKalb officers but Whites officers have not been promoted because of such.
I haven’t been in DeKalb as long as many of you on the blog have but I still see an overwhelming amount of White Officers in key leadership positions, although I have seen a great influx of Black officers. Now this is where it gets tricky. DeKalb was predominately populated by Whites before the 90's and Blacks moved in and Whites fled, same thing is occurring in south Gwinnett. Therefore, if more Blacks moved to DeKalb from Atlanta and other places, which Atlanta has been known as a budding city for Blacks to move to for economic prosperity, then naturally Blacks would also not only want to live in DeKalb but WORK in DeKalb. Not a hard concept to understand. Here is where I think the point lies; many qualified White police officers were not awarded rank/positions because they deserved it because a Black Officer blocked the opportunity because they wanted other Black officers. In the history of the US this happened and we created affirmative action. Qualified candidates not awarded an opportunity to work or achieve rank because of their race is wrong, Chief Graham was a shining example and an embarrassment. Race is a difficult subject to discuss. LoFlyer, consider surrounding yourself with other Black friends because most of the Black’s I know are insulted by a handout and feel like nobody owes them anything.