This blog page was established so DeKalb County Police Officers including their family and friends may have a place to hold discussions, post news and vent without fear of retribution.
Jodie,Why didnt you ask the chief his thoughts about the CEO investigation?
Did you see the Training Day movie poster in the chief's office? Guess that's how Cedric gets down....King Kong ain't got nothing on him! Rock on Chief A.
Well it's obvious your department has grossly incompetent supervision/supervisors.
How the hell is the new chief on a news segment talking about officers being arrested, and he has a poster of the movie Training Day in his office? A movie that glorifies and showcases violence and various forms of criminal activity within a police department (Aside from Hoyt finally standing up and doing the right thing)?
You get what you pay for!, But listen dont stop with the lower rank and file Jody, look into the powers that be of Dale Holmes, and Wiz now there is a cover up.
And the good officers are leaving and/or retiring early in droves. The garbage stays because their records are not clean and they can't leave the safety of their protector...... WHAT is DeKalb doing to keep the good officers and supervisors?... F'ing with them and letting their take home pay dwindle is certainly not working.
Jody that was a very poor story you get a C-. When certain people don't get there way they call second hand reporters like you.
The fact that the majority of those officers had multiple disciplinary actions prior to their big step into the doo-doo is upsetting. WTF? And why does it take 3+ months for just a written counseling to come back from on high? Is it even effective after all that time? Chief A, please streamline the process. Side note-Really? All over the man because he has a Training day poster in his office? At least he advertises what kind of movies he likes, which makes him relatable- a lot of officers loved that movie. What posters did OB have in his office? Probably none to go with his blah personality...couldn't decide on which poster to put up..just like he couldn't decide to fire Crumpton after he was recommended for termination by the most carefree Major we had, Higgy Baby. At least Chief A can make a decision. Just sayin.
Wow,Look at the IA disciplinary list on AJC,com. I counted 5 supervisors with a sustained 'untruthfulness' in their files. Good ammo to use at your appeals hearing if they ever write you up.
Jody,Did you bother to look into the officers opinion? More over, why are you listing the names of officers that are no where near criminals? How are you just judging by records? Did you bother to look into the accomplishment and reputation within the community for each officer listed? I must say its unfair to classify officers as "bad" just by looking at past cases. Did you bother to read how each case was resolved? You must also be ignorant to the frustration built in each officer's family as to how you have classified each officer listed. To make my point, I really find it unfair for you to list officers names and give them a bad reputation before actually knowing the experience or the real reputation they have within the community they work in. Most of those officers listed, work hard and risk their lives everyday. Something you're not or anybody is really capable of. Not to forget that their salary is not even near what they should be getting paid. I am disappointed and my respect for you has dropped and even for channel 2 news. An apology is deserved to those officers whose name shouldn't even be put on that list.
@May 18, 2013 at 12:48 AM....I'll give the otherside of the coin...except for the 2 idiots picked up by the feds, ALL the other cases were initiated, investigated, if warranted arrested, perp walked and referred for prosecution by DKPD. Seems Jodie forgot to mention that angle. We have done the ugly work necessary within the low level ranks but some real problems lie in the upper ranks and only 1 has ever been removed (for releasing info to WSB TV oddly enough). Ever wonder where all the fired/resigned/quit DKPD officers go??. Take a good look at all these little departments. WSB/AJC rehashed old stories and felled to mention that all but 1 officers featured has been fired.
I certainly do not know about all of the officers on the,"List" that was scrolled across the screen. But I saw a couple of names that I know for a damn fact have not been in trouble. Horrible journalism! Those officers should not be demanding an apology. They should be talking to an attorney.
Could you share that list here? Most people don't have an ajc.com subscription. That is public information, so ajc can't complain about it being shared here.
A resident quoted in that article said the police in Seattle, where she used to live, were more professional than most of us. The starting pay for a Seattle Police Officer is $64,000 a year. I've been working for Dekalb for almost 15 years and I don't make close to that. If our raises had not been taken away I might be making that, but Seattle starts their officers off that high. Do you think that might have something to do with the quality of applicants each department attracts and retains?If you want better officers, pay for better officers.
Wgaf what movie poster was behind the Chief! I liked the movie "Heat", so does that mean I condone armed robbery? Not! All of our officer problems were in place before Chief Alexander arrived here. But, some posts on here want to trash him for not fixing the problem overnight. Kind of reminds me of all the 87s I go on each day. The parties involved act as though I'm there to wave a magic wand over them and make all their domestic issues disappear for good. A good start to address this issue would be to do a thorough review of our background investigation processes and determine where we need to improve. Also, do away with the worthless voice stress test and go back to the polygraph. Use the polygraph for the hiring process and internal investigations. To anon 1:20, are you saying that in the event you decide to lie in an internal investigation, you are going to quote the list as a reason why? I call bullshit on that! You need to have integrity to admit when you're wrong, take your lumps and move on.
It's Sweeps ya know... Gotta get those ratings and viewership up so than can charge more to the advertisers. What better way than a juicy scandal of crooked cops? Don't read much into this already public-knowledge story. Love ya Jodie, but really... You could have done a lot better for Sweeps if you had taken another angle. Just ask some of your contacts what's really going on besides this stuff. Like a previous poster said, look a lot higher than these line level officers and Supervisors. Go after the other story that's just dying to be told.
Here is the linkhttp://www.myajc.com/news/dekalb-ia-investigations/
This is a lazy, low brow, hit and run journalism. Instead of doing real investigative work, Jodi Fleischer and the AJC picked the low hanging fruit. They chose the quick and easy way to do a take down piece on our department.This article does nothing but state the obvious and bash our officers. Do we have problems? Yes, we absolutely do. Jodi Fleischer and the AJC seem to think they're bringing something unknown to light. Better reporters than those tied to these reports wouldn't have just settled for reporting the obvious: the department has problems. Better reporters would have investigated WHY we have problems. Better reporters would have asked to see the applicant pool our Background and Recruiting staff has to choose from. After seeing what kind of garbage we have applying for a job with our department, a good reporter would have next asked, "Why are there so few good people applying to work for DeKalb?" After analyzing why we can't attract the best people, a good reporter would have looked into all of the Officers who have left the department for better offers elsewhere. A good reporter would ask why DeKalb is having such a tough time retaining good officers. Instead of doing all of these things that a good reporter would do, all WSB and the AJC did was make it look like a few bad apples are representative of the whole department. Day in and day out I hear, "Innocent until proven guilty" when it comes to dealing with perps. But when it comes to Officers, we're guilty, period. Look at how they presented the information about IA investigations. They said over 200 Officers have been accused of breaking the rules and investigated by IA in the last 5 years. Guilty until proven...nevermind...we're just guilty. They didn't bother to mention how many of those investigations revealed the Officers did nothing wrong. If you went to IA, Fleisher and the AJC assume you must have done something wrong. They didn't even consider the possibility that perps just complain on us to make life miserable for us. WSB, AJC, this reporting sucks. You should be ashamed of your bias against us and your laziness for not doing an accurate, thorough investigation. You're no Woodward and Bernstein, that's for sure. Maybe you're content with just pointing out the obvious: we have problems in our department. You seem to think the problem is we're not doing enough to find the problems. I'd rather find the cause of the problems. Dealing with problems is reactive. Identifying the cause of the problem is proactive. I'd rather take a proactive approach and prevent the problem in the first place, rather than try to fix it later. I guess that would have take too much time and effort though for these pathetic reporters to do though.----Fed Up DKPD
There are bad apples everywhere. $hit I got bad apples in my refrig. I'm proud of the good officers we have in Dekalb County, well not proud just somewhat proud. If you have poor leadership, it will trickle down to the officers. Why do people vote for these a-holes and then complain?
Anon 1205,I think the earlier post was saying that if you go to your appeal's hearing and bring up the fact that the supervisor who wrote you up has a history of being untruthful then you have a good chance of discrediting that supervisor's testimony against you. Defense attorneys are using this tactic against officers all the time now in court. This is why some departments are simply terminating any officer who has a sustained untruthfulness charge.
I can tell you I dont give a rat ass about The Dekalb County Police Department or the new chief or the AJC.. Someone told me a few years ago if I did not like it here in Dekalb, to leave and believe me I left. It has only gotten worst and will never and I repeat will never get better. There will be 30 cities before long and no Dekalb County left . What pisses me off, as it probably did many other officers, is my name appeared on the I.A.investigations that were listed by the A.J.C. I was cleared on all charges and there was no merit to what was accursed. The person that complained on me was upset about an arrest, who was later convicted. I was never sued and or ended up in the Federal Building in Atlanta. You know the one building Im talking about....Russell B with the story I am drug dealer and the police violated my rights as I violated the law so now I will sue you. Well that never happened again proving no merit to the complaint that had been filed. What Jodi, who Cant Understand Normal Thinkking doesn't understand is that reguardless if the complaint was valid or not when filed, an investigation would be conducted. But to the uneducated people that read the A.J.C. A.K.A. liberals and democats and I said democats, it apprears to them that Dekalb officers are off the chain and that over 200 officers have committed some type of crime when that is not the case....Its a handfull of really bad officer and they should be executed for doing what they did.I feel the same way about news reporters who lie and feel they are covered by using the word alledged when they know they are lying. Jodi get what I mean??? Thats all I want to say... Man I'm happy I'm gone and truly sorry for the ones still there that cant leave just yet....The ones that cant leave youve only got a few years left and then the prison sentence will be over with about 60 grand a year coming your way for life... Its has been awhile but I am and always will be "M Gone and Happy".
How many suspension hours does it take to get fired? I think that was the point. You want to know where your raises went? It's going out to the criminals whom's rights were violated to pay those law suits off. More to come!!
To WSB and the AJC:I am furious over this report. I am not a police officer, I am the wife of a police officer. This article is slanderous at best. This report was published without details into what was found and who filed the report. My husband's name is on this list and the one unfounded complaint he had. Yet, you make him look like a bad cop. I'd love to sit with you and discuss his career (although I know you don't want the good, only the bad). I will show you several commendations from the Department and other outside agencies. I will show you he's a good cop and a good person. But I know you don't care how you make people look as long as the police look bad. You are pathetic in your attempt to discredit good cops. Yes there are bad cops, but that's true in any profession including yours.
re; anom-4:33. Super great comment!!(probably the best that has ever been posted). Maybe we should all rent some bulldozer's, demolish the county building, every precinct in the whole county,erect one huge circus tent, run all these sorry "sum-bitches" off,and start all over again. The news-media's constant slamming of the police will never end.(look at how much damage these friking embedded "dove" reporter's have done to the military)! They never have reported,and never will report the good/positive things that you officer's,or soldier's do,every single day,in this county,or in the war. That doesn't make good print,though! Any, police officer doing his/her job, will be "complained" on, occasionally. Officer's working these "hot" territories will get complained on a lot more,not because of misconduct,but because of the necessity of being "forced" into having to use higher levels of force,a lot more. No officer intentionally does things that will get him/her complained on. There is,and will alway's be,"a time to talk,and a time to fight"!! THAT DOESN'T/SHOULDN'T, AUTOMATICALLY CATERGORIZE THEM AS A THUG WITH A BADGE,as is portrayed by the media,or the critical public.(there is a big difference b/t working a beat "in" Emory and a beat "on" Memorial Dr.,and they are only 5+ miles apart)! I would much rather work around an officer who is not afraid to do what is neccessary,than one of these "timid/apologetic" police "poser's",that are either afraid to make a decision,or are incapable of making a decision!(I blame every single bit of that on the constant bombarding of "liability,don't forget liability",they get in training, and from some of these weak-knee'd supervisor's)! The criminal element has gotten much bolder,and more violent,,but the police administrator's expect you to be a "kinder/gentler--officer friendly",type of officer. Of course,there are numerous situation's where this applies,but obviously not in every situation. THERE JUST "AIN'T NO" NICE WAY TO USE FORCE!!(I don't care how many warm,fuzzy,touchy,feely computer classes they teach,or send you to). I never talked to the son of a bitches from the news media,because,more times than not,they will twist what you say,(especially under the stress of the call). As a matter of fact,I got kicked out of a supervisor's class once,because during the "Dealing with the news media section",a guest "idiot reporter" was lecturing about what a good working relationship we all share, b/t the "job",and the news-media. I told him our relationship was purely adverserial at best,and that if any officer believed any different from that,he/she was a fool,and if he really believed that,"he was full of sh*t"!!(major,mega,marathon,record breaking,ass chewing for that one,back at old 34)! YOU GUY'S ARE DOING AN UNBELIEVEABLY,INCREDIBLE JOB,IN THE ABSOLUTE WORST CONDITION"S AND ENVIRONMENT,and,if I was your "boss",I would tell you that at every roll call.(I alway's have,and alway's will be,more concerned about the officer on the scene,than all the g.d. perp's in the world)! The ignorant public and the news-media has obviously been watching way "too much" Andy of Mayberry episodes. If they don't believe that,I suggest they haul their dumb- asses up to the police memorial in D.C., and take a look. Just like the military,the police are considered to be an "evil necessity". Like the old, bad ass Josey Wales say's "to hell with them fellar's". WISH I WAS STILL THERE TO STAND UP FOR ALL YALL ! Who loves you, man!!!!!
Wow, this is pathetic!!!! I worked IA at DKPD as a supervisor in the 80's....and we had a Total of 4-5 officers who collected all the complaints, and that was it! We were pretty darned good in those days! I have to admit, I'm appalled! Anyone with these kind of disciplinary records would have been LONG GONE in my day!
Remember that one near the top of the list was shaking down gang members in park town north and was suspected that his wife had ties to a rival gang. Not so innocent a lot of these names. I know it hurts but we must weed out the bad apples. Bring back back ground like it should be and dammit find another gene pool to recruit from.
Hey Jodie, lowered standards from Vernon to Burrell due to lowered pay/benefits and forced demographics. From Louis Graham, Terrell Bolton, and William Miller, Great Leadership not to mention your standing CEO under criminal investigation, any smart supervisor/officer is heading for the door. County is lost loosing more ground every day. Wow really, no kidding.... keep digging....welcome to Pandora's box!!!!!
Is no one worried that our first middle and last names are on that list for perps to see and Google. Its only a matter of time before one of those special citizens tries to steal an identity.
Excellent post 4:33. There is so little good journalism any more. That formerly noble profession has been reduced to a contest to see who can draw the most attention from their sensationalism. The more shit you stir up, the more hits to your site which in turn impacts advertising dollars. It's sick, negative, non-productive, but most of all, I worry about how you're portrayed and the impact it has on you as you're out there dealing with the riff-raff.Those tabloid panderers should think that through the next time they authorize articles like that.
How are officers records open and the CEO records are sealed? If we in the bussiness of uncovering the truth let get everything out...
Any officer who has never been complained on is not doing his job. Real police work requires aggressiveness. "You have to break a few eggs to make real mayonaise s my philosophy. The officers who had unfounded or not sustained complaints should not have had their names made public. Unfounded or not sustained meanns THEY DIDN"T DO IT !!!!! Police officers get complained on for doing their jobs becaus the thugs know the liberal dumbasses will give them sympathy. Do you GD people want real police officers ora bunch of candy ass SOB's that hang around HQ all day? Do you poeople want police officers who have the balls to move toward incidents that Joe citizen runs from or what? You citizens better decide if you want a bunch of PR bureaucratic candy asses or real police officers. If you don't support you REAL police officers you may as well call your sister or your grand pop to handle the situation. Support your police of call a damn social worker. Decide what you want! I am not suporting bad cops here, just cops who have the balls to do their job...male of female....Whoever released the unfounded or not sustained officer names is an idiot and maybe should be sued.
Anon 806...Why would they want to steal your identity? Everybody knows we don't make much and haven't had a raise in 7 years. I'm curious at how many suspension hours does it take before getting fired? Some of the officers on the list are repeat problems. Yall need to get over the article. This is what happens when the trash never gets taken out.
This is to the 80's IA supervisor....listen up cupcake, I've been here 22+ yrs myself....it's a much different place than it was when I 1st came here to work.Back in the day when you worked for DKPD things were alot different. IA didn't have to investigate every time an officer made and arrest and the perp got his hair out of place. This place has become so ridiculous that it's almost to the point if you put your hands on a perp just to restrain them there is a use of force report generated. This report is sent to IA and after a few of those ....well then you become flagged...regardless of circumstances and regardless if it was justified. So why don't you shut your pie hole since you obviously have no idea what you're talking about or what officers have to deal with on a daily basis...it's not Mayberry RFD, and Aunt Bee ain't cookin dinner for ya...so go back into retirement.
If the "new chief" is so gun-ho on stop bad mouthing the county.....why in the HELL did he allow IA to release all those records to AJC????...regaurdless of the "open records request".....97% of all that info could have been filtered out!!!!What about the complaints that showed...un-sustained??? or unfounded???THANKS CHIEF...OWE YOU ONE SWEETHEART....FOR HANGING US OUT TO DRY....Your pshyco-bs degree did not work in your meeting....so what's your new punch line now...."DO AS I SAY....NOT DO AS I DO"!!!YOU SAY ONE-THING...YET YOU SHOW SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!You're 3 minutes are up!
So that CID lieutenant has an untruthfulness and several other sustained violations, but the department allows him to serve on the Early Warning Committee and talk to me like a child when i had to go before that kangaroo court. This is one screwed up place!
Burrell Ellis and The DeKalb Board of Commissioners are just the most sorry of individuals. They are just scum bags.Their treatment of animals by not building a new Animal Control Services building and delay after delay while looking at different sites. Sounds like the sorry ass elected officials of DeKalb County are trying to enhance themselves some how = Developer Connections = Pay Offs.Something's Up. And nothing new there.These same sorry ass elected officials and trust me Mike Jacobs, Elaine Boyer and the North DeKalb Republicans are just as sorry as Sharon Barnes-Sutton and we all know how sorry that is.These DeKalb BOC and CEO have just gotten away with everything you can imagine and their treatment of our Fire and Police is a shame. No raises for City of Atlanta, Fulton County Sheriff's Dept and DeKalb Officers.Better people must step forward in DeKalb County to replace these sorry elected officials.And the electorate of DeKalb County, the voters, What Has Happened, good God, just unbelieveable and the stupidity and ignorance that has spread from one end of this county to the other may be irreversable.Perhaps DeKalb County has just Gone to Shit = sad for some of our DeKalb Employees that still try so hard.
We are headed in a different direction!!!!!! The new DKPD!!!!! All the naysayers get ready you're about to get real angry because we are coming back. Watch and see. I love my brothers and sisters in blue!!!! More power.
to anon 5/22..8:33pm.....Well said brother, well said.
Hell were about to cut crime in half!!!!! Now that's worth reporting.
Yea we cutting crime in half. By running roadblocks in the Oak Grove area everyday. Yea that will catch the 42 perps, and stop the citizens from wanting to leave Dekalb. God what NON Police person is running this dog and pony outfit?
Anon 4:02,Im trying to figure out how a lieutenant with all those write ups is allowed to stay in CID. Must be one of Yarbrough's boys.
Say it ain't so. Could it be that the female protected one is about to be held accountable for her actions? Chief would get my respect. Bout time someone clipped her wings.
I remember through the 80's and 90's and into the 2000's that there were some supervisors who were not liked by everyone. I have come to realize that they were the supervisors who were very consistant hard core supervisors. The good hard working, honest officers liked these supervisors. The slugo's hated them. I wish there were more tough supervisors who knew what they were doing. Most all police problems and supervision problems.
Yep we are going to cut crime in half! Even if we have to lie about our numbers to do it!!
Here's something that's been troubling me. How long ago was it that many of us put out almost a whole day's pay for a yearbook we have not yet received? If we don't get a definite date of arrival soon, I'm going to Superior Court to take out warrants against all of those involved, command staff included. Try to stop me! This isn't a civil matter. This is theft! We were promised a product. We were lied to!
When one was untruthful back in the day that was immediate termination. Nowadays it's a also on the hand, some suspension time and off you go. Chief Alexander needs to start terminating again and weed the bad seeds out.
I wonder if our pension fund money managers know to be out of bonds, esp long bonds and into stocks?Oh yea, KEEP THOSE IDIOTS AWAY FROM OUR PENSION !Bad COPS make us all look bad. Fire 'em !
wow, i dont know why you guys still work there? Yall should all transfer to watershed management or sanitation if yall like being shitted on!
I have done some research on the IA information that the news posted and some of it is blatantly wrong. Several officers have all their charges showing as sustained when only one of them actually was. It looks like the news reporter wanted to make things look even worse so they just showed all the IA charges as sustained even if only one was. Sounds like I would get an attorney and be asking why the news or IA is printing false and damaging information about me for all to read.
IN A NUT SHELL Col. Jessep: "Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg?( BOC) I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. "
re: 6:59. You shouldn't tease us like this! "Wow,I think I'm actually sexually aroused commander !!
haha, Anyone see how Chamblee, Doraville, and Dunwoody just busted a dozen crooked gambling fronts in their cities? Last time Dekalb PD did a gambling raid one of the officers was caught on camera stealing lotto tickets. Funny how these operations are allowed to stay in business in unincorporated Dekalb but the city PD's actually put people in jail and seize almost 300k.
Starting pay in Plano, TX (large suburb of Dallas) is $54k...for an academy cadet. I did my 4 in Dekalb and yes the grass really is greener on the other side. I just found this board and cannot beleive how bad it is in Dekalb now.
Very good point, Anon on 5/22 @ 11:27 pm. It was a different world back then. Officers were not under this ridiculous current scrutiny. I will hush up!
re; 7:20. RIDICULOUS SCRUTINY ?? 99.9 % of these "caught"officer's are guilty as charged!! Sorry,but we even had "closet criminal's" back in the good old day's! Assassinations of (2)two police officer"s,murderers,burglars,armed robbers,car thiefs,child molesters,shop-lifters,embezzlers,untold domestic violence cases(some are still here,covered up,got promoted),drug dealers,substance abusers,perjurers,rapists,10-80's"/resisting arrest,debtors,regular old "run of the mill" thiefs,and on,and on,and on!! Some people have ulterior motives when they start this job,other's fall prey to the "easy money",and unlimited opportunities to take advantage of situations. This is not a profession for people of questional intregrity,border-line honesty,or little or no personal ethics. Unfortunately,some,not many,but some,slip through the cracks,and are eventually detected.(some--never)! No personal honor = big,big problems! You probably think,"all that happened a long,long time ago"! Not true. This last bunch of "perp's" intended to kill any or all officer's that stumbled across their drug/protection criminal activity!!! Unfortunately, because of these "turn your head",forced hirings by the fed govt,you will probably see annual polygraph/voice stress test's required for all "sworn personnel".(just like a requirement in narcotic's). Sad, but true. This does not have any thing to do with race,gender,or sexual preference. This blame falls on "those people" who should have never been hired, to begin with. REMEMBER,WHEN YOU LOWER THE STANDARDS IN THIS PROFESSION,YOU INVITE THE DEVIL INTO YOUR HOUSE!!!
what I meant by 'scrutiny' was, the media, the rabble, etc., -- not for misconduct or behavioral problems...I just meant "in general" as far as cameras being everywhere and officers worried over who's trying to say they are doing the wrong thing...I wasn't referring to criminal behavior!
BTW, I see where Ellis just got indicted
Nothing wrong with the movie poster and if I recall correctly the "bad" cop in the movie got what he deserved. Throughout my career I have had 'Full Metal Jacket' and 'Sharky's Machine' posters in my office. Does not change how I do my job. The focus should be on departments such as Dekalb PD, Atlanta PD, Fulton Co (fill in the blank) and other metro Atlanta agencies filling positions with unqualified personnel. Basically thugs with badges. Got to raise the standards and not bow down to political correctness when it comes time to discipline those that make us all look bad. Officers are leaving these departments in masses to get away from the thug culture and corruption which is rampant in the urban areas. Changes need to be made!
Post a Comment